ChatGPT and MUMPS
Eddie Hagood
Note: The GETDFN^XYZ and GETNAME^XYZ functions are assumed to exist and retrieve the respective data from the relevant file(s) based on the patient DFN.)
For my final test, I wanted it to dump a patient's TIU notes. It didn't pull the authors name, and was dumping the FM datetime out, so I directed it a bit... but I thought it did a pretty decent job!
So it didn't nest the for loop statements with a period, and it used an END... but I thought this was all kinda neat. I later asked it to simulate the output with fictitious data:
Wolfgang Giere
Thank you for the interesting discovery. Has Mumps become part of the mainstream IT?
Wolfgang Giere
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Nancy Anthracite
On Friday, February 10, 2023 9:44:42 PM EST Eddie Hagood wrote:
> Hey guys,
> Interesting discovery I made the other day, that I thought someone
> might think was cool. After listening to a podcast about ChatGPT, and
> finding out that it could write code... I thought I would put it to the
> test: Can it write MUMPS code?
>
> I started it off with a simple Hello World
> [image: CaptureGPT.JPG]
> I was impressed that it gave an explanation with the code. I upped the
> demand a bit to see if it would be able to pull from a Fileman file. I had
> to expressly tell it to not use an external function, or it would reference
> a nonexistent function:
>
> *(SET DFN=$$GETDFN^XYZ(DFN) ; get patient DFN from parameter SET
> NAME=$$GETNAME^XYZ(DFN,2) ; get patient name from file 2*
> *WRITE "Patient Name: ",NAME,! QUIT *
>
> *Note: The GETDFN^XYZ and GETNAME^XYZ functions are assumed to exist and
> retrieve the respective data from the relevant file(s) based on the patient
> DFN.)*
Matt King
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Greg Kreis
I've been playing with it as well. It is super impressive, though
it is wrong more than is acceptable. Think of it as an
intern/junior programmer that can give you ideas and code samples,
but DO NOT trust it. It suffers from the Dunning Kruger effect.
;-)
ChatGPT 4 is supposed to have been trained on much more data. The ChatGPT page says it is trained as of Jan 30. There is some confusion in my mind if it is the ChatGPT 3 product on a more current database or if this is version 4 and a more current database.
I just signed up for Plus and will be monitoring its progress.
I will say this. If it improves quickly in the next year or two,
it could make VistA support and development a LOT easier for a
very experienced VistA person. Imagine it troubleshooting the
error trap in a way that lays out all the details so you can
quickly grasp what is going on. This could help a great deal with
one of the complaints that VistA is difficult to support.
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ivaldes
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George Timson
George Timson
ivaldes
George Timson, a name to know, A visionary, in the world of EHRs and flow. He created Fileman, a system so wise, Bringing order to the chaos, of medical records and files.
With features that are innovative, and user-friendly too, Fileman is a solution, that the healthcare world knew. From appointment scheduling, to patient management, it's all there, Ensuring that healthcare providers, can focus on what they care.
And with its MUMPS-based nature, it's a pioneer, Offering an option, for healthcare providers, who want to steer. For their patients and their needs, are always in their sight, And with Fileman, they can deliver quality care, day and night.
So here's to George Timson, a man of great renown, Whose creation, Fileman, has brought healthcare to new ground. For his contribution to the world of medical technology, Is a testament, to his ability, to deliver efficiency.
Eddie Hagood
Wolfgang Giere
You are absolutely right! I always admired George as a visionary pioneer -- together with Tom Munnecke. Thank you both!
Wolfgang Giere
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David Whitten
You are absolutely right! I always admired George as a visionary pioneer -- together with Tom Munnecke. Thank you both!
Wolfgang Giere
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George Timson, a name to know, A visionary, in the world of EHRs and flow. He created Fileman, a system so wise, Bringing order to the chaos, of medical records and files.
With features that are innovative, and user-friendly too, Fileman is a solution, that the healthcare world knew. From appointment scheduling, to patient management, it's all there, Ensuring that healthcare providers, can focus on what they care.
And with its MUMPS-based nature, it's a pioneer, Offering an option, for healthcare providers, who want to steer. For their patients and their needs, are always in their sight, And with Fileman, they can deliver quality care, day and night.
So here's to George Timson, a man of great renown, Whose creation, Fileman, has brought healthcare to new ground. For his contribution to the world of medical technology, Is a testament, to his ability, to deliver efficiency.
On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 2:04:23 PM UTC-6 George Timson wrote:One more comment about AI: Given how much natural stupidity outbalances natural intelligence in the real world ("IRL"), I will not be surprised that artificial stupidity will similarly outbalance artificial intelligence. I read this morning about a bot that was asked about the Super Bowl game (which is, as I write, still four hours in the future.) The bot proceeded to describe the whole game, yardages, etc, and reported that the Eagles won! This is referred to as AI "hallucination"! Oy vey! Remember this?-- https://groups.google.com/g/vista/c/lYoP17Z1jHo Trump is gonna love this thing!--
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Greg Kreis
I learned this the hard way. Always tell it "ANSI MUMPS" when you
form the prompt. Without it creates a hybrid of different
languages.
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Greg Kreis
I am having fun probing ChatGPT's understanding of our beloved
MUMPS. As you can see in the dialog, you have to push back and see
if you can guide it to see something it missed, though you don't
have to be polite. (Reminds me of those Boston Scientific videos
where they harass the robots.)
Can you think of any data structure in other programming languages that has similar features of the ANSI MUMPS Global variable?
Yes, there are several data structures in other programming languages that have similar features to ANSI MUMPS Global variables.
One such data structure is an associative array in Perl or a dictionary in Python. Both of these data structures allow for storage of key-value pairs, similar to a MUMPS Global variable, where the key is the name of the variable and the value is the data stored in the variable.
Another data structure is a hash table in C or Java. A hash table is a data structure that uses a hash function to map keys to values, allowing for efficient storage and retrieval of data. This is similar to a MUMPS Global variable, as it provides a way to store and retrieve data based on a unique identifier.
In addition, the concept of a global variable in many other programming languages, such as C or Java, is similar to a MUMPS Global variable in that it allows for data to be shared and accessed across different parts of the program. However, the scope and behavior of global variables can vary greatly between different programming languages.
Aren't you missing the idea of persistent storage that seems to set the ANSI MUMPS global variable apart from most other languages? Are the examples you cited able to persistently store data?
Yes, you are correct. I apologize for overlooking the important aspect of persistent storage, which sets the ANSI MUMPS Global variable apart from most other data structures in other programming languages.
Most data structures in other programming languages, such as dictionaries in Python or associative arrays in Perl, are not designed for persistent storage and their data is lost when the program terminates. On the other hand, ANSI MUMPS Global variables are designed for persistent storage and their data is saved to disk, allowing it to be retrieved even after the program has been terminated and restarted.
A few examples of data structures that provide persistent storage in other programming languages are databases, such as SQL databases, or key-value stores, such as Redis. These data structures can store data in a way that is persistent and can be retrieved even after the program has been terminated and restarted. However, they are typically more complex to use and require a different programming paradigm than ANSI MUMPS Global variables.
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Greg Kreis
Think of it as a junior coder that brings their assignment, you critique it and give them suggestions and new requirements. I had a round and round with it to expand commands and function abbreviations but it would forget the earlier requirements on case (upper or lower) that I specified! Very tedious, and you MUST says ANSI MUMPS repeatedly, but it will get better and soon that junior programmer will be having you hand in your assignments.... 😮
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