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♪ ♪ ♪ tonight, the battle over the border dominating capitol hill. house republicans push the mayorkas impeachment to a vote, while senate republicans threaten to block the border security bill. and its primary week in nevada, with both republican primary and caucus. we will get into what it means in the race for the nomination. then, the growing crisis of shrinking newsrooms. the importance of investing in local journalism. but was gonna put up the money. as "the 11th hour" gets underway on this monday night. ♪ ♪ ♪ good evening once again. i am stephanie ruhle. we are 274 days away from election day. and immigration is setting up to be one of the biggest issues in the race. the border would be the focus on capitol hill this week, with the house set to vote on impeachment of homeland security secretary, alejandro mayorkas. that takes place tomorrow.

today, the rules committee met to advance it to the full house. then on wednesday, the senate is voting on its long awaited bipartisan immigration bill, that includes eight money for ukraine and israel. tonight, senate republicans met, and it appears they will block the bill. during the wednesday procedural vote, saying they need more time to go through it. on top of that, house republicans said the senate bill would be dead on arrival. this makes absolutely no sense to me, but luckily, my colleague ryan nobles lays that all out before us. >> i just don't believe that the senate bill meets the criteria that is necessary to solve the problem. >> reporter: then you legislation negotiated by a small group of bipartisan senators provide 60 billion dollars to help support ukraine and 14.1 billion for israel. but the battle is over 20 billion dollars worth of reforms to the nation's migration system. the bill expands the number of detention facilities, allows for an emergency declaration with more than 5000 migrants

crossing on a given day, and raises the standards for migrants to qualify for asylum. >> gop negotiator james lankford urging republicans to pass it. >> when we had a republican house, republican senate, when president trump was president, we weren't able to pass -- >> reporter: president biden supported it too. >> we don't have enough -- we need help. why won't they give you the help? >> reporter: but republican critics arguing the bill makes the crisis worse, including by still allowing migrants to be released into the u.s. pending asylum hearings. >> they have been releasing people into the country without detaining them now. this bill would say that's okay. >> reporter: but democrats insist republicans are taking their marching orders from former president trump. our new nbc news poll shows 57% of voters believe mr. trump would handle a border security best, just 22% pick mr. biden. >> they want to keep the border on solved as a problem, so that it benefits them in the upcoming election.

>> by the way, republican leaders, including donald trump, and speaker mike johnson, have said that this senate bill would allow 5000 people to cross the border every day. well, for facts sake, that is just not true. negotiators working on the bill say no migrants trying to enter the u.s. illegally would be allowed in unless they pass asylum interviews or held under government supervision. it would end the practice known as catch and release. on top of that, the house is set to vote on a stand-alone israel aid bill, setting up a showdown with the senate. also this week, the supreme court will hear arguments in the case of donald trump's ballot access in colorado, that is set for thursday. with that, let's get smarter tonight with the help of our leadoff panel. nbc news washington correspondent yamiche alcindor is here. luke broadwater, pulitzer prize- winning congressional reporter for the new york times. and dave aronberg, state attorney form palm beach county. yamiche, you have drawn the short straw. explain this to me.

it sounds like senate republicans are set to block this bill on wednesday. here's what i do not get. they want to hold an impeachment vote for mayorkas for enforcing bills that they don't like. and at the same time, they want to block an immigration bill that will solve some of those very same rules that they don't like. >> stephanie, it's a really, really tough situation to understand, but really, the bottom line here and the common denominator between what house republicans are doing with trying to impeach dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas, and what the senate republicans are now threatening to do, block the bullet that they have negotiated, it is donald trump. we thought the former president now calling this border security bill that has been negotiated by democrats and republicans for weeks now, a quote, track. this is really former president donald trump saying he doesn't want president biden to have anything to sign, that he looks like he's handling the issues

at the border. and as a result, it keeps the crisis at the border as an issue in 2024. so you have republicans who in some ways are really looking at donald trump as their queue for what to do next. and you have someone like speaker mike johnson who's saying, i'm gonna look at the bill, but within hours saying they don't like it. what you really see here is this bill, even those most conservative border security bill that we have seen in modern history, it's a bullet that republicans are likely not going to pass it. democrats are angry about, which tells you just how far democrats went, and president biden went, to try to give republicans what they wanted in order to get it passed. >> okay, let's name names, yamiche. i get why trump wants to block it and why mike johnson wants to serve donald trump. but mitch mcconnell appointed james lankford as the person to negotiate this bill. and now, it's being reported that mcconnell is giving republicans the green light to block it. >> it's a very, very confusing,

confusing thing to understand. i will also say that there are senate republicans who are now in the senate of course, who have been critical of mitch mcconnell for making any sort of deal with democrats. these are people who already want mitch mcconnell to be the speaker. they don't want him to be someone who's gonna be leading, rather, republicans in the senate. they want him to be the majority leader in the senate. but things are still, in some ways, it still shows you the tensions that republicans have to deal with, on the one hand, you have republicans who want to get things done, who want to actually get some of these long generational goals they had, including getting rid of immigration court, including speeding up the asylum process, including all these different things, putting limits on the number of migrants that can cross the border. but then, you just have the politics of all of this. and the politics are that republicans are simply hamstring by their base, by the former president trump, and by even their own ability, switching, and changing their minds based on what they think is the

political when they might make. >> luke, what can you tell us, i know you've been reporting on this? >> well, i think that yamiche hit all the main points here. i do think that in addition to the power of donald trump, it shows the power of some of trump's allies on capitol hill, specifically marjorie taylor greene, who told speaker johnson point blank, if you put this voter bill on the floor, i will introduce the motion to vacate you from that chair. so that threat was hanging over johnson's head, and really put the pressure on republicans to try to block this deal. at the same time, marjorie taylor greene is going to be appointed as one of the impeachment managers against homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. so you can sort of see who's wielding the power here in the republican party. it's not people like james lankford, who negotiated for months and months to get a bipartisan deal. it is the people who are carrying out trump's orders and

his wishes on capitol hill for these hard-line immigration stances. >> all right, luke, let's be extra naive or idealistic, and forget marjorie taylor greene, and mitch mcconnell, and donald trump, and even mike johnston. put in perspective for us, because we have not seen the details in this bill, how big of a shift would this senate bill be for america's immigration policy? >> oh, it would be absolutely impactful. now, i think -- listen, i actually think it's a very conservative bill. typically, in these deals, in the past, republicans had to give up something to democrats, like a pathway to citizenship for the dreamers. that's not in this bill. what was in this bill is an almost immediate shutdown of the border. in fact, if it was to be signed into law, the border would be shut down the very next day until crossing levels went way down. and then, they would reopen these hearings and these screenings. they would give a ton of money, actually, to make the

immigration system works, and having enough agents, enough judges, enough lawyers to process these cases in a fair and humane way, while at the same time, if levels got high, it will shut the border down again. it did not allow 5000 people into the country every day with no questions asked. the bill was very much misrepresented by many on the right. so, yes, it still had a tremendous impact on the border of, but its prospects are very dim right now. it appears as if almost no republicans are going to support, and in fact even james lankford was indicating that all the political pressure against him was getting, that he himself might not even vote to put the bill on the floor. >> that is bananas. tell us, luke, how do you think this impeachment vote on mayorkas is going to go now. republicans have a very narrow margin. >> i think they have the votes to impeach mayorkas. again, they have not put a case forward where there's any actually crimes of misdemeanor, which is the constitutional

standard for impeachment. the constitution actually names threes and the bribery, actually criminal offenses for impeachment. in this case, we really have republicans who are dissatisfied with the state of the border, and instead of embracing this voter bill, they want to blame the homeland security secretary. they say he has failed to implement the laws. and so they're going to vote to impeach him. as to best of my knowledge, there's only one republican in the house who has said he will not go along with it. and if there's, if those numbers are correct, then they will have the votes for impeachment. >> so one more time so that everyone understands, we have seen no evidence of high crimes or misdemeanors on the part of secretary mayorkas. and at the same time, this bill in the senate has all sorts that would solve what republicans issues are on the border. and for americans across the country who are concerned about our border, this would address it. dave, from a legal stance, you are our legal expert, what sticks out to you about this bill?

>> well, the bill's conservative, as luke said. this came out under donald trump's presidency, if that happened, they would campaign on it. they would confirm amy coney barrett. they would have a ceremony with a banner saying mission accomplished. and trump would say, mexico will pay for all the expenses! but here, this is all politics. and one thing that speaker johnson is doing is saying that president biden can do this on his own. he doesn't need a lot to pass. that is not accurate because there is a provision of the immigration law that was passed in 1952 that allows people who enter the united states to get asylum. if they get here, they get asylum. that's a southern border. and that's why donald trump could not shut down the southern border, even though he said he was going to. and that's why joe biden cannot do that on his own. but you know who can shut down this southern border? this legislation. and yet, that republicans won't pass it, that's because it's all about show, and no go.

>> okay, but there are some people that actually understand what's happening at the border, and i want to talk about them. because today, the union for border patrol officers endorsed the bipartisan bill, saying it would drop illegal border crossings nationwide. this union endorsed donald trump in 2020. what does that tell you, yamiche, about the bill and trump's opposition to it? >> what it tells you is that this is, as luke said, and i think we need to underscore that, it is not just a conservative border security bill, it is frankly the most conservative border bill that we've seen in modern political history. democrats here gave up so much that they really did move -- this is a signal of a major shift to the right where democrats under president biden, when it comes to border security. so when you look at the union that is saying, hey, we endorse this. it tells you that the details of the bill are really in favor of people who have wanted certain, stricter border rules and security.

that said, it goes back to the idea that we are in election year. we are in an election year in 2024, and former president trump is wielding the power here. and while house speaker mike johnson had said he's calling the shots, he's in charge, it's pretty clear that trump and his allies really do have the final say here. it tells you that it's not really about what's in the bill because maybe in the next year, if former president trump gets reelected, maybe he could resurrect this bill, right something more conservative, and say, hey, this is a big win. don't do it now, don't do it when democrats have the power. >> then the challenge for joe biden right now is to figure out how to inform the american people of exactly what is in this bill, and that republicans that are blocking it. let's change subjects here. dave, on thursday, donald trump will try to convince the supreme court to keep him on the colorado ballot, basically arguing he is untouchable. why do you think it's gonna go over? >> well, i think that the plaintiffs have a really good case here to knock him off the ballot because section three of

the 14th amendment has to mean something, just like you have to be 35 years old to run for president. you can't serve more than two terms. you have to be a naturalized citizen. you can't be someone who engaged in insurrection or provided comfort or aid there. so i think for a matter of laws and good case, unfortunately, i think the supreme court with a 6 to 3 conservative majority does not want to bump trump off the ballot, and will punt this back to congress, because section five of the 14th amendment does say that congress can enforce this provision, and they're gonna say, i think, at the supreme court, hey, congress, do your job. we don't want to have 50 different states going 50 different ways. and so they're going to punt, which is something that they shouldn't do . but it is something that we are used to at this point in american politics. >> you know we always have time to showcase strong women on this show. the washington post did a profile on one of those colorado voters who brought the lawsuit to kick donald trump off the ballot. she is a 91 year old lifelong

republican. her name is norma anderson. watch this. >> my biggest concern is losing our democracy. donald trump believes very strongly that if you tell a lie often enough, many, many times, people will believe it. he proved the case. he committed insurrection. i don't think the younger generation truly understands how close they are to losing their democracy. i was born a republican. my family was a republican, raised a republican. i'm one of those weird people. i read the constitution quite often. >> nothing weird about sweet norma. luke, so many people are afraid to take on donald trump. what does it say that 91 year old norma anderson is not? >> well, we have seen a

pattern, i think, in donald trump's tenure as president and ex president, and that is many of the people who have been willing to speak up against him have been women. if you look at the january 6th committee testimony, a lot of those were young women who saw what happened in the trump white house and came forward publicly about it. you look at liz cheney who was the republican lead of that committee and her stance calling out donald trump. and here, you have another example. so i do think you see a pattern there, just what you pointed out, of strong women who are taking a stance. >> all right, last topic, you know we have to hit it before i let you leave, they've. for the first time, judge tanya chutkan has publicly acknowledged that the federal election interference case against donald trump could extend well into 2024. what is your biggest concern if that happens, besides trump

wins and he wipes this whole slate? >> there will of law will not be upheld. i think this is the strongest case that could be tried before the election. the other case, it could be tried, it's in new york. the case with alvin bragg going after trump with the stormy daniels hush money payment. it's not a strong of a case. this one is strong. and we're talking about strong women, well, how about judge chutkan, who's ready to cancel her international vacation that she had all planned to do justice here. but we are waiting on the d.c. circuit court of appeals to rule on absolute presidential immunity. i thought this would have been an opinion delivered a while ago , already now, it's been so long , and times are wasted. hopefully this will start pretty soon. but i'm not holding out too much hope anymore. >> all right then, dave, luke, yamiche, thank you all for starting us off tonight. when we come back, when it comes to the economy, there is so much good news. but that good news is not translating into a win yet for president biden in that both. we're gonna get into it with

cornell belcher and mark mckinnon. later, let's get confused. nevada has a gop primary and a gop caucus this week. if you don't get it, you are in luck. neither do we. but we've got two experts from the state, and they're gonna explain what in the world is going on. "the 11th hour" just getting underway on a monday night. ♪ ♪ ♪ on a monday night. ♪ ♪ ♪

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the economy is off to a strong start in 2024. in january, the jobs report exceeded expectations, but voters are not -- [inaudible] as polls show, voters think do a better job of him. -- [inaudible] -- not everyone is feeling the benefits of our investments and progress yet, but inflation is not growing america than any other major economy in the world. >> you do not have to take his word for it. here's what federal reserve chair jerome powell said on 60 minutes last night. >> we have a strong economy. growth is going on in a solid base. the labor market is strong, 3.7% unemployment. with an economy strong like that, we feel like we could approach the question of when to begin to reduce interest rates carefully. >> we need some strategists who

explained. with me tonight, cornell belcher , is here, democratic strategist and pollster. and mark mckinnon, former advisor to george w. bush and john john mccain, and former host of the circus on showtime. okay, gentlemen, cornell, to you first. we have a strong economy. you don't need me to go through that data. joe biden is now messaging, the media is talking about it. even fox news as of friday has acquiesced and said we have a strong economy. janet yellen is saying it. jay powell is saying it. why is it that when americans are polled, and it was last month, they are crediting donald trump and saying he would be better. explain this. >> well, let's level set and contextualize, stephanie. thanks for having me on the show for a deeper conversation about this. look, let's look at historically what happened. republicans historically do always -- the way you ask it, they trust more dealing with the economy, republicans or

democrats generically. you know, the republicans have historically had advantage in that, i'm going to 2012, working on the obama campaign, and we asked, you know, who would do a better job on the economy, mitt romney or barack obama. mitt romney had a huge advantage around who would handle the economy better. obama had, and i think what joe biden is gonna have advantages, is when you start to dive down to sort of who will fight more for working class people, who will fight more for the middle class. and that's where we drove the conversation in 2011 around, around the economy. so there is a conversation to be had about this, and i think the president has had this conversation about the economy, and has to try to inoculate as much as possible, republicans historical advantage on the economy. but then, to your point, he has a good story to tell about the economy. but at the same time, just like we saw in the midterm election, if the election is simply about inflation and or the border,

which republicans want it to be about, democrats will absolutely get their bucks for it. but what you see, hopefully, is that it's about more than just the economy, and more than just the borders, right? what you don't see in there is who, who do you trust more to protect democracy? who you trust more to protect women's reproductive freedoms? we trust more in health care? who you trust more in education? the election can't simply be about one or two things, or in fact republicans will have an advantage -- >> but cornell -- >> what we saw the midterms is that when you expand that conversation, voters in fact have multiple variables to decide how they vote. >> but why were democrats get their butts whipped on immigration and the economy. we have strong economy, and right now, it's donald trump who's blocking, who is pushing republicans in the senate and the house to block an immigration bill. >> well, one, and i friend on the other side can speak to

this too, if you look underneath their data, though, stephanie, most of the voters driving the concern about the border, for example, they are republican voters, right? court republican -- and if you watch fox, if you listen to republicans talk, they're always driving fear, and next, and a grievance about the border, we've been invaded. that is their issue, and they own the issue. they are driving fear about it -- that's why they don't want in fact to pass an immigration bill because it takes it off the political playing field for them, and they don't want to do that. >> but that's the thing, mark. they're driving it with misinformation. you and i have talked about immigration a lot over the last couple of years. you have said it's a huge vulnerability for joe biden. he hasn't done enough. if you are joe biden right now, and you have got a bill that republicans could sign, that they could, republicans could pass and he could sign, and donald trump is blocking it and lying about it, what should biden do? >> talk about it every single

day from now until november. i mean, this is a classic example, and trump is making it all about him, and not if it's better for the country, just what is better for him politically. and i think that joe biden should talk about that a lot. and i think that you should, and i think the rest of the news should, and i think everybody should, because it's clear that what donald trump really wants is chaos on the border. and joe biden, as the anti- chaos candidate, and that's what he proposed with this bill, a solution to the problem. and as one of the guests said earlier on the last show, that if donald trump had this bill, he would be running wild with it. he would be running this up the flagpole, and he would be very proud of everything that's in this bill. listen, the thing that's interesting right now, you know, james carville once said the economy is stupid. and i think that equation has changed. i think right now, it is all about tribes.

and the tribes you see and the person they want to -- but i think that's gonna be undeniable. first of all, economic news is always a lagging indicator with voters. the improvement always happens before perceptions improve. and inflation is coming down, low percentages of inflation haven't met the actual numbers of inflation. but that will self correct overtime. and listen, if things keep going the way it is, it's one of the most remarkable stories of biden's presidency, it's not just how good the economy is, but how good is it compared to what everybody thought it was gonna be. my god, it was supposed to be disaster, right! and it's gonna be one of the best economies -- and you would think that, i mean, the good news for joe biden is that he's got nine months to tell the story. >> so you just said that joe biden should be talking about this every day of the week. he's giving up an opportunity to talk to millions of people this sunday, turning down a pre super bowl interview. i

understood last year it was fox. he wasn't gonna do an interview on fox, given that fox news pumps out misinformation about him every day, tomorrow, and yesterday. but not this year, it is cbs. do you think he's missing a great opportunity to talk to americans about these very issues? >> i do, it's a huge opportunity, and it's a huge, huge one. it's one of the biggest audiences, you know, you will get in television the whole year . the base is more than the convention. and it's not like it's a hostile interview. i mean, the interview is a pretty friendly one, generally, even if it's fox. so i really don't understand. the problem is that drives that perception that joe biden is, for whatever reason, avoiding the media. and that conclusion most people are gonna draw, thinking that he's frail, that he's old, and they're trying to keep him away from even friendly friends. >> it's a gift to his critics. i know i have no more time, but, cornell, i don't get to see you often, so i'm asking. if joe biden pick up the phone and called you tonight, what would your advice be for him? >> well, i'm gonna pull a car

from mark's friends, tell him there's more to america, right? you have to start selling the economy. the economy wasn't great when ronald reagan was president -- but moving in the right direction, you've got to sell it. they are not selling the story about the economy yet, and it is puzzling to a lot of our friends. >> all right then, cornell, mark, thank you both for being here, great to see you both. when we come back, it is election week in nevada, both the primary and caucus happening within days of each other. and republicans, they can vote in both. why this is already causing a whole lot of confusion, when "the 11th hour" continues. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ keep missing out on this? before you were preventing migraine with qulipta? do you remember the pain, the worry, the canceled plans? and look at me now. you'll never truly forget migraine but qulipta reduces attacks making zero-migraine days possible. it's the only pill of its kind that blocks cgrp and is approved to prevent migraine of any frequency. to help give you that forget you get migraine feeling. don't take if allergic to qulipta.

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you were always stubborn. and on that note, i'm evan low, and i approve this message. tomorrow, nevada would hold its republican presidential primary, where only nikki haley, not donald trump, will compete. and then two days later, the state gop will hold republican presidential caucuses, which would be the only contest used to aboard delegates. and for that, only trump would be on the ballot, not nikki haley. if that sounds confusing and a tremendous waste of money, you are with me. so let's figure out what this, what is going on. here to help us with all of it, nevada secretary of state cisco aguilar, and amy tarkanian, former chairwoman of the nevada state gop, and former trump supporter. secretary, help me. let's start with the obvious question. why on earth is this happening?

>> well, look, thank you for having me, and i'm honored to be here. but we decided in 21 as a state to hold a primary, given what occurred in the previous democratic caucuses. we all understand the benefits of a primary, if that is a working class state, we are 24/7 economy, and if you want people to participate, we have to make this election as accessible as possible, and that is what the primary does. >> but it's not gonna count for anything! >> you're absolutely right, but that was a decision made by the state republican party. that was not made by me or by my office. that was a decision that they made. they knew that this was the law. they then knew that this is how it worked, and this is what we needed to do to engage the voters in nevada. >> so do you think it's a ridiculous waste of time and money, the way it's playing out? >> well, i think, look, if you think about how many people have voted in the primary so far, nevada has one week of early voting. we have same day voter registration, so if people want

to participate, who are nonpartisan, they can register to vote on the same day and participate in that party's primary. we are accessible. we make sure that every nevadan has the opportunity to vote. i don't know how as you make this more accessible to nevada voters and what you are doing in the primary. >> but what is that about gonna get you? >> i don't know. and that is, you know, what the democrats have figured out, this is the way to allocate delegates. for some reason, the state republican party made the decision to go with the caucus on february 8th. i was not in that room. i was not part of those discussions. all i could say is this is what the primary does. not only did my office say it, but a judge in nevada said that the secretary of state's office must run a statewide primary election. and we are following those orders. >> amy, nikki haley called the decision to hold these two contests, rigged for trump. i know rigged elections are sort of all the rage with republicans these days. but did she have a point with this one? >> she does, and i have to give

cisco aguilar praise, actually, for what he's been doing for our election system. i mean, he has been revamping areas that have, you know, been in great need for some time. you can even track your ballot from start to finish. and it's a shame that that nevada republican party, and mind you that it is being led and ran by six individuals who have been indicted as fake electors, and the hypocrisy is so thick. for them to go around and claim that there is election fraud, and that you can't trust, you know, going to cast your ballot -- you can't trust putting your mail ballot into the mail. that's ludicrous. the fact that you also had these same individuals, who participated in an invitation only meeting at mar-a-lago at the beginning of last year, to get everyone ready for this upcoming election season, is

pretty telling. our state party chair has also been on the record and saying, you know, basically, to forget the primary, go to the caucus and let's give donald trump all 26 delegates. well, you still have other individuals that are participating. you have this gentleman who i have yet to meet, but his name is ryan bingley. he is still part of the caucus. the republican party is supposed to be neutral, and they're anything but. and they're actually not just the party of misinformation. and i feel bad for the secretary of state because he is receiving misguided anger because it's only the fault of the republican party. it is not cisco's fault. it's not the democratic party's fault. it's no legislatures fault, it's a fault of their own. they're not just sending out misinformation to their base, which is accidental. they're sending out disinformation, which is intentional. and it's a shame, it's embarrassing. >> it's twisted, and it's confusing voters. do you think it could backfire

on the trump team, amy, or do they have this thing so locked up, you know, at the altar of trump that they're gonna win no matter what, these six individuals? >> sure, well, unfortunately, it does seem that they're going to have this locked up for all the 26 delegates to go towards donald trump. now, the only way that it could possibly be somewhat embarrassing is if nikki haley were to receive more votes, so she would have the popular vote. and then the participants in the caucus. now, the other thing we have to watch out for, though, in nevada, we had none of these candidates as an option. and that is another strategy that the trump campaign has been pushing, and making sure that their base will also go participate in the primary and choose none of these candidates to embarrass nikki haley. >> oh, boy, it's going to be quite a week in nevada! but at least somebody is going to win a super bowl game. amy and cisco, thank you both for being here.

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right now. new data shows that more than 500 journalists were laid off in the month of january alone. it's a frightening and uncertain time for this country. so i'm gonna bring in someone who's weathered it all before, to help us understand what could come next. steven waldman joins me. he's the founder and president of rebuild local news. he has decades long career covering national politics. stephen, this is distressing. i want you to lay out the current state of journalism in this country, have you ever seen anything like it? >> on the local news side, we've never seen anything like it, and it's important to separate those things, there's a lot of layoffs and things in the national news, but there's still already a lot of national news left. it's not true on the local level. you are seeing an absolute wipe out on the local news level. about two thirds of the reporters are gone, the amount of ad revenue that props up the local news models, down 82%. and so you literally have to newspapers closed every week in

america. thousands of communities have no local news at all. thousands more have, then you for us that have to be invented, which is ghost newspapers, newspapers that are there printing, but there is no local news. there's dozens of local newspapers that have not a single local reporter. >> you say that conservative voters suffer the most from these so-called news deserts. i want to pull up a map. you can see orange means fewer newsrooms, and green means more. why is this so dangerous, especially right now? >> so you can see on that map that a lot of it is in rural areas. and you basically have these weekly newspapers that we're covering the counties, all going out of business. now it happens when you have this local news vacuum, something rushes in to fill the vacuum. and what is rushing in's social media, national news, rumors, misinformation. so people who are in areas without local news tend to get more

misinformation, and also be more polarized with national news is more polarizing. >> what about more corruption, right? because it is journalists, especially local news, that are holding people accountable. so if i'm a local business guy, or woman, if i'm a lawmaker, and i know that there is nobody knocking on my door checking me, then what? >> there's this famous case in bell, california which i love. and it was basically this area in california where the city council voted to pay the city manager $800,000 a year. the thing that's amazing about it is, they voted in public to do it. it wasn't like a hidden deal. it's just that there was no one there to cover it. and now, academics have actually studied this and have proven that in case after case, when you have less local news, you have more corruption. you actually have higher taxes because of the bond ratings work, you have more pollution because people are not checking on, you know, the initial emissions from the local power

plant. and then you just have less information about the candidates that you are voting for. >> it sounds like you're talking about a counter movement in new jersey. here's the problem, right? we can sit here and say local journalism matters, you know, go out there and subscribe to your local paper. but the problem is, we are -- where does the money come from, right? you said it, ad revenue is down. there is no more classified ads. the explosion of the internet. so for someone to comment, step up, and by a local paper, jeff bezos doesn't make money on that washington post. mark is not making money on times magazine. where is the business model that supports for a founder or an investor to buy or build a paper, and at the same time, hire good journalists to serve a community? >> so the business models are improving, and the main thing that they're doing, and we'll see if they nail it, is having more digital subscriptions to go with that. advertisement is never gonna be where it was. but we are also finding is that in addition to improved

business models, we are now having philanthropy stepped in to support local news -- >> but wouldn't that be enough? >> i don't think it is enough. it is the second piece. but i think the third piece, which is a little more unusual, is actually government support, taxpayer support. and i know that sounds heretical, but in fact, the government has been subsidizing the news media for about 200 years in the form of sheep postage rates and things like that. and i think we just have to think of local news differently. it's like a civic good, it's like a public liability -- >> yes, yes! but is there a will from lawmakers to find the money and make that happen, because last i checked, journalists, they're pretty tough on lawmakers. >> yeah, and they're not so popular with lawmakers. but i will give you an example. there is a bill in congress right now, which is very clever. it is proposed by a conservative republican, claudia tonya of upstate new york. just got its 21st republican co-

sponsor, which is more republicans than it's ever -- >> all right, we'll take it. >> and it's clever. it says tax credit for small businesses that advertise in local news. so there is no one in the government sitting around deciding which favored publications get -- it's actually a restaurant or a dry cleaner that's gonna decide who gets the money. so it's like a market oriented system but it helps lift up the whole local news system. >> before we go, your message to students, young journalists, people who are thinking about pursuing a career in journalism, and they're watching stories like this, or reading about the layoffs? >> this is one of the weird things about this, there's also incredible innovation going on right now. there are hundreds of start-ups and nonprofits. i used to run a program called report for america, which is an amazing program that places reporters into local news rooms. so don't give up. in fact, your generation is gonna have to invent the new models that both deal with the business problems and better serve the communities. >> we gotta hope for the

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already iconic, before you've even heard the words. once you finally get to that horse, you're like everybody is screaming. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> you get to see people have the experience that you have. it can be felt and related to buy all kinds of people around the world. the last thing before we go tonight, fast car. in a grammy night full of memorable moments, taylor swift 's historic fourth album of year win, miley cyrus reminding us she could buy herself flowers with her first ever grammy win, and one hell of a tribute to tina turner from -- amongst others. what i was thinking about is tracey chapman and luke holmes, extraordinary performance of fast car. the hit song from way back in 1988 has officially re-entered the charts with homes cover

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