Clinton3666

Is this a musa aurantiaca ???










I labelled it as a musa beccarii, but it turned not a musa beccarii.

Clinton.

Raules

Greetings Clinton! It is similar on Musa aurantiaca, but it is better to ask Frenka (Bigdog). It had experience of cultivation of this plant.

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bigdog

Hey Clinton,

It kind of looks like the Musa that rarepalmseeds.com is selling as Musa ornata 'Orange Flower' here: Musa ornata (orange flower).

I have that plant, but haven't seen it flower yet. It's kind of hard for me to judge the size of the plant in your pictures also. Do you have a picture of the whole plant, with something for scale? It's a beautiful bud!

Frank

Clinton3666

Yes, my plant is same as the photo of musa ornata "orange flower" in rarepalmseeds.com website.

But there are no such as musa ornata have orange flowers, so I think the musa ornata "orange flower" is other name for musa aurantiaca.

I sent Markkus Hakkinen the photoes of my flowering plant & asked him "Is this musa aurantiaca ???" last few months ago, but he is overseas in East South Asia, hunting for wild banana plants.

Clinton.

bigdog

I haven't had mine flower yet, so I haven't had a chance to key it out. Vegetative characteristics would indicate M. aurantiaca though. There are a couple of other orange-flowered Musa, M. exotica and supposedly an orange form of M. rubinea. M. exotica is a Callimusa, and is not well-known. Yours does not look like M. exotica. You are correct that the name Musa ornata 'Orange Flower' is incorrect. Just a marketing tool by the guys at RPS, who didn't take the time to research it and key it out!

Frank

tony palmer

Hi Frank, last summer I bought a Musa “Orange” from Amulree in the UK, this is what they say about it…

MUSA 'ORANGE' This is a previously unknown banana growing in a friends garden high in the Himalaya's, the only name we have so far is 'Orange' due to the colour of the flower bracts. It seems to come true from seed so we assume it’s a species.

The petioles on M.orange look very similar to those on my M.rubinea so could it be M. rubinea var. orange?

Musa “Orange”


Musa rubinea


Tony

Clinton3666

Here's my drawing of my orange-flowered banana plant musa aurantiaca ???

My two pre-flowering musa aurantiaca ??? have flowers yet to appear.
One plant is 150 c.m in height while other one is 132 in height.

Wings of my orange-flowered musa aurantiaca ??? are ruffled as you can see the drawing.

The pseudostem is a misture of black, orange, yellowish green.

Undersife of leaves had orange midrib and the petioles were first yelloish green, before turned orange. the flag leaves had orange petioles. bracts are orange.
Yellowish green fruits are 8-9 cm lenghtwise and 25-30mm across., when you look at end of fruits, they appear to be V shaped.
The seeds are 5 mm and rough to touch, had little bumps, are dark brown.

tony palmer

Hi Clinton
By the way Excellent drawings and descriptions!!
I have never had M.aurantiaca so best left to Frank and Markku for a positive I.D. here is a description of aurantiaca that I found on the net and it does sound very similar to your plant… hope this helps.

Musa aurantiaca

Habitat Grows wild in the wet temperate forest of upper Assam, Arunachal Pradesh and in southern Tibet.

Pseudostem Slender, stoloniferous, 0.8-1 m height, yellow green in colour with black blotches. Clumping habits, many suckers emerge very close to the mother plant.

Leaves Erect to intermediate, 90-95 cm long, light green, glabrous on upper and dull on lower surface, laminar bases are pointed. Petiole 20-25 cm long, wide open petiole canal, winged margins.

Bunch 4-6 hands, 2-4 fingers per hand, uniseriate in arrangements.

Peduncle erect, very short with only 10-15 cm length, glabrous in nature. Rachis short, barren, scars are less predominant.

Male bud Lanceolate, orange in colour, convolute.

Male bract Orange on both inner and outer faces, open two at a time, takes two to three days for shedding, neither reflex nor revolute, lacks wax coating.

Male flowers Orange in colour, 6-8 flowers per hand, arranged in uniseriate manner. Compound tepal about 4 cm long, orange in colour, free tepal is more or less as long as compound tepal, opaque white in colour and rectangular in shape.

Fruit Does not reflex, sub sessile, not edible, skin watery green in colour and glabrous in nature.

Seeds Warty, dull black in colour, very small, 1.5 mm in diameter.


Tony

Clinton3666

Here's resent photoes of musa aurantiaca ???


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3/2/12

tony palmer

I would say that your plant is M. aurantiaca!!
It’s also most likely that my Musa “Orange” is M. aurantiaca too.
M.rubinea var. orange, is not a valid name because it’s not an officially described species.
David Constantine said the picture of M.rubinea var. orange on the Nature products site seems superficially to resemble M.aurantiaca.

new banana cultivar

Tony

bigdog

Somehow, I have no pictures of the plants that I sprouted from RPS under the name Musa ornata 'Orange Flower', and it is planted in Gainesville, FL so I don't see it much (I live in TN). From my recollection, however, it does superficially resemble your pictures. My best educated guess would be Musa aurantiaca also.

One of the seeds that I sprouted came up heavily variegated, then later died...oh woe is me, LOL.

Markku Hakkinen

This plant is not pure M.aurantiaca. When one is looking its corrugated shoulders it might be a hybrid between M.aurantica X M.mannii. This kind of shoulders could be seen only M.mannii in the section Rhodoclamys. Also it bud is more ovoid in comparing to M.aurantiaca which has sharp pointed top. Also one important question is its basal flowers, are they female or hermaphrodite?
The Nature product's Musa rubinea was only a variant of M.rubinea. I had change to compare them at TianZi and XTBG during my stay in Xishuangbanna 2005-2007.
Markku.

tony palmer

Markku, this is my M.rubinea from TianZi, that also has corrugated shoulders/winged margins.



Tony

Markku Hakkinen

All the TianZi's cultivated M.rubinea plants were origin from one plant collected from Central Yunnan. When I visited at TianZi in 2005, 2006 and 2007 they were cultivating this M.rubinea in the field. Some of them were mutated by forming more golden bracts.
However, the peduncle were remaining red like in M.rubinea. M.aurantiaca has a green peduncle and it differs in many other aspects. What is coming to corrugated auricles they have normally dropped off in outside.

tony palmer

Musa “Orange”
I’m not sure about the true identity of this nana it could be a hybrid aurantiaca/mannii or an unidentified species.
The flowers are hermaphrodite are there any more thoughts on this one!!







Thanks,
Tony

jmoore

Beautiful banana Tony! I'm very jealous.

How tall is it just out of interest? How old?

How are your Zaifui coming along, any sign of flowering?

Clinton3666

Tony,
Don't forget to PM me when you have fresh seeds of musa zaifuii as I been waited for you to PM me, for past 2 years.

tony palmer

Hi James, the p-stem on Musa “orange” is 30 inch and it took 2 years to flower, I have two more that are a little taller and they haven’t flowered yet… perhaps next year!
If you would like a pup from orange pm your address and I will send you one.

With regards zaifui I’ve had the plant to flowering size three times now but no flowers, I’m starting to think it isn’t zaifui but whatever it is it’s a beautiful nana and I’m sure the flower will be something special!

Clinton, if I do get a flower on zaifui you are first on the list for seed